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Post  msgurkan on Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:04 am

To have a very big and thick bonsai trunk in a short time, I try cuting a thick branch (10cm) from ficus carica. January 2010
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After cut all the leaves. August 2011:
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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  stavros on Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:46 am

Hi,
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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  msgurkan on Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:42 am

It's ok now. Sory, I am still learning foto uploading.

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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  stavros on Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:33 pm

very interesting !!
Ficus carica is so easy to strike as a big cutting and also suits our climate. The only drawback is the leaf size but in pot cultivation the leaves get smaller, but also can be controlled but removing the bigger ones.
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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  msgurkan on Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:55 pm

I have to many ficus carica pre-bonsai, so to much experience. Leaves can reduce radically until 2-3 cm length.
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ficus carica bonsai 10 cm tall from seeds germination:
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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  Greg on Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:27 pm

very good and interesting as well!!

When did you get the cutting, on January?
Did you use any root hormone?
what kind of substrate did you use?







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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  msgurkan on Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:40 pm

I get the cutting, on January.

I bought rooting hormone from Home Center:
Stim - Root No.3 Rooting Hormone Powder 0.8% IBA
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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  Greg on Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:48 pm

Ok Thanks. I use the same hormone as well in some cases.



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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  my nellie on Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:19 pm

Hello, msgurkan!
What kind of substrate did you put the cutting into?
I use either plain perlite or mixed with very small quantity of peat. Did you use any sphagnum moss?
One more question if you don't mind... Do you put the pot into a plastic bag or this is not necessary?
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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  msgurkan on Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:35 pm

I use sphagnum moss when air layering.

When making Hardwood cutting, to avoid rood rot, the rooting prosses need airing and moist soil, but not damp soil. For ensure airing, free drainage soil mix and watering is very important. For that reason peat & perlite mix have disadvantage. For better drainage use coarse sand, vermiculite and pumice in the soil mix.

Rooting prosses need also humid air. For ensure humid air, plastic bag or tent can be used.

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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  stavros on Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:03 am

in my experience, it does not matter what substrate material is used for cuttings or trees, as long as it provides good drainage and good aeration. I have personally tried different materials, different mixtures but the result was always good when the substrate was mostly inorganic (sometimes even 100%).

Moisture does help but one cannot be careful enough because it can also work the other way round by inducing root rot...

Talking about ficus carica (fig tree), i've had very good success without using hormone, even when the cuttings were potted in soil (not modern substrate)

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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  Greg on Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:22 pm

Mehmet,
From where do you get the vermiculite and pumice?

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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  msgurkan on Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:24 pm

In Nicosia, I can find too much pumice and very cheap. But row material. It need to sieve. The price is approximately 50 Euro for 1 ton.
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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  Greg on Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:36 pm

msgurkan wrote:In Nicosia, I can find too much pumice and very cheap. But row material. It need to sieve. The price is approximately 50 Euro for 1 ton.
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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  my nellie on Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:21 am

I come back with a confirmation and a question (...with an evident answer) Very Happy

Well, at first my own confirmation of the easy rooting cuttings just as Mehmet has already written. I have tried two hard wood cuttings from a f. carica which has a particular bark, I mean branches three years old have already a rough texture which gives the impression of age. So these are the results of my experiment.
a. I have cut on Jan. 4th one fat branch of about 4.5-5.0mm diameter and have taken two pieces of cuttings out of it.
b. I have put them into plain perlite and I have used rooting hormone over the cut area. At the cut perimeter I have made some notches and I also have made notch over one or two dormant buds that were just above the cut area.
c. I made a first watering with a weak solution of liquid K-L-N (root formation enhancer).
d. I have wrapped the pot into plastic bag and let it closed for 20 days.
e. After that I opened the bags to check (o sign of bud swelling) and I have misted the cuttings and sealed back the bags.
f. Today I have opened the bags for the second time. On the bigger cutting I saw crispy, white, hairy roots and the apical bud ready to pop out! On the smaller cutting one tiny adventitious bud is being formed and begins to differentiate.
It is worth saying that this smaller cutting because of reverse taper has being put into the pot upside down - another experiment Very Happy
Now, let's go to my question:
I assume that for the first year I should let the cuttings grow free and unchecked. Is this correct?
I'm looking forward to your answers (evident) Very Happy

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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  stavros on Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:04 am

The way things are progressing by mid-spring you will be able to have substantial growth of the roots and foliage.

personally, since we are talking about the specific species, i would probably start fertilising in few weeks and by mid spring i would start pruning (clip n' grow)

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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  Savvas P. on Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:25 pm

I agree with fertilising(even though it sounds to early)but the clip and grow depends on the growth you will get....mind you if you have the patience(which i dont have)you should leave it free growing this year and then you will see....

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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  Greg on Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:54 pm

Very critical is when you will remove the plastic bag. If you remove it too soon then it will be a problem and usually there is no come back.

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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  my nellie on Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:35 am

Thank you all for your response.
Your input is very useful to me.

Stavros, would you suggest a weaker dilution for the first feedings?

Savvas, I'd say that I have the patience to let it grow free (...at least I think I have)

Greg, when the time comes to remove the bag I intend to keep the pots for a while in a hall at the appartment building where they have lots of light and a stable temperature and then gradually get them accustomed with external conditions. In fact I have the wrapped pots kept in the hall since the begining.

So, I hope that in the near future I will be in a position to post photos bounce

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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  stavros on Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:10 pm

my nellie wrote:Thank you all for your response.
Your input is very useful to me.

Stavros, would you suggest a weaker dilution for the first feedings?

Savvas, I'd say that I have the patience to let it grow free (...at least I think I have)

Greg, when the time comes to remove the bag I intend to keep the pots for a while in a hall at the appartment building where they have lots of light and a stable temperature and then gradually get them accustomed with external conditions. In fact I have the wrapped pots kept in the hall since the begining.

So, I hope that in the near future I will be in a position to post photos bounce


i guess you can use a fertiliser at half strength in case you want to be on the conservative site.

personally i would go full strength since the substrate(perlite) won't hold much (if any) anyway.

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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  my nellie on Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:37 pm

msgurkan wrote: ... .... Leaves can reduce radically until 2-3 cm length.
Here some examples:... ...

@ msgurkan
I hope you don't mind my using the first photo of yours as an evidence of the reduced size...?

Thank you.

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Pumice

Post  wildfig on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:31 pm

Greg wrote:
msgurkan wrote:In Nicosia, I can find too much pumice and very cheap. But row material. It need to sieve. The price is approximately 50 Euro for 1 ton.
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Re: Ficus carica from cuting

Post  Greg on Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:56 am

Christo,
I cant find anything to their website, you have to give them a call.

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